factcheck and 'the gift of the union rep'
I wasn't sure whether to run this as a separate post or put it in as an 'update' to the other 'fact'check posting, but it's so very typical of the esteemed Senator (I don't know about 'fact'check yet,,, but it doesn't look good) that it gets its own slot.
From the same 'fact'check blurb, where they complain about the NRA being right about Kerry's endgame, we get this:
They're talking about S 1431. It was one of the 'new and improved' replacements for the 94 'assault weapon ban'. You might remember that one, it specifically banned 19 firearms by name, and a whole host of others by purely cosmetic features, along with magazines that held more than 10 rounds, but specifically naming many commonly used sporting/recreational use rifles and shotguns as exempt?
1431 fixed that 'exempt' part.
Not only did it ban all the .223 target rifles that are based off the AR-15/M-16 platform,
which is a whole lot of competition target guns; the Ruger 10-22, not an 'assault weapon' by any reasonable person's standard, wouldn't pass muster.
The Ruger takes a detachable mag. Out it goes.
Naturally, they couldn't leave the purely cosmetic portions of the '94 'ugly ban' out, so they're repeated pretty much as-is:
though they did manage to quit worrying quite so much about 'assault bayonettings'. (this be my impressed look)
The Kerry campaign trotted out their stock answer to anyone looking at Kerry's voting record: bulls***.
Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.
I've clipped stuff off my cat's toenails that knows more about hunting than Kerry evidences and if he doesn't realize how many sporting rifles the Lautenberg bill would ban, what the f*** is he doing running for President?
Is he really stupid enough to be co-sponsoring S-1431 if he honestly supports sport shooting?
Nuh,,, he supports 'hunters and sportsmen across this country' as long as they're watching him show off his new camo jacket. As soon as he's back, safely behind the smoked glass in his SUV, out come the martinis and the gun control bills.
I don't really think that's the worst of it, because Kerry's a sporting clays shooter, not a rifle guy. What I think is really funny is the little juxtaposition one can get by looking at this portion of the 'fact'check spot:
and remembering that a union rep presented the good Senator with a Remington 11-87 semi-auto shotgun... which is a variant of the 870 and which would have been banned under S-1431.
Then again, and this goes back to that 'unintended consequences' thing we talked about before, Lautenberg and Kerry know very well the utility built into this phrase from the bill:
not only is pretty well every firearm on the planet 'originally designed for military or law enforcement use', the mere fact that a firearm is widely used for sporting events shall not be considered sufficient to qualify that firearm as 'suitable for sporting purposes'. Kerry as president, an AG who is equally anti-gunowner
... and Camp Perry might as well close the gates.
I was almost willing to give the 'fact'check guys a half-point on the pump shotgun angle. They claim the NRA says 1431 will ban 'all pump shotguns'. There's an exemption in there for pump shotguns, which means the 5-round-or-less pumps will stay in circulation. Of course, the rest won't, no matter what type action they have, but I figured I could be generous just this once...
Then I looked at the NRA fact sheets for the 'that dog won't hunt' ad, which 'fact'check says they used.
Here ya go:
so I would have given them the half point,,, or maybe the benefit of the doubt...
then I found out they're a bunch of f***ing liars, so why bother?
From the same 'fact'check blurb, where they complain about the NRA being right about Kerry's endgame, we get this:
The NRA ad falsely claims Kerry is sponsoring a bill "that would ban every semiautomatic shotgun and every pump shotgun." That's just the opposite of Kerry's stated position, and falsely characterizes what's actually in the bill that Kerry co-sponsored
They're talking about S 1431. It was one of the 'new and improved' replacements for the 94 'assault weapon ban'. You might remember that one, it specifically banned 19 firearms by name, and a whole host of others by purely cosmetic features, along with magazines that held more than 10 rounds, but specifically naming many commonly used sporting/recreational use rifles and shotguns as exempt?
1431 fixed that 'exempt' part.
Not only did it ban all the .223 target rifles that are based off the AR-15/M-16 platform,
(A) The following rifles or copies or duplicates thereof:
(ii) AR-10;
(iii) AR-15, Bushmaster XM15, Armalite M15, or Olympic Arms PCR
which is a whole lot of competition target guns; the Ruger 10-22, not an 'assault weapon' by any reasonable person's standard, wouldn't pass muster.
(E)(i) Except as provided in clause (ii), a semiautomatic rifle that has a fixed magazine with the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds.
(ii) Clause (i) shall not apply to an attached tubular device designed to accept, and capable of operating only with, .22 caliber rimfire ammunition.
The Ruger takes a detachable mag. Out it goes.
Naturally, they couldn't leave the purely cosmetic portions of the '94 'ugly ban' out, so they're repeated pretty much as-is:
(D) A semiautomatic rifle that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine, and that has--
(i) a folding or telescoping stock;
(ii) a threaded barrel;
(iii) a pistol grip;
(iv) a forward grip; or
(v) a barrel shroud.
though they did manage to quit worrying quite so much about 'assault bayonettings'. (this be my impressed look)
The Kerry campaign trotted out their stock answer to anyone looking at Kerry's voting record: bulls***.
John Kerry and John Edwards will always support the Second Amendment right of law-abiding American citizens to keep and bear arms, such as rifles and shotguns, including semi-automatic firearms used by hunters and sportsmen across this country. Gun rights are fundamental for the sport of hunting, and they will vigorously support those rights as president.
Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.
I've clipped stuff off my cat's toenails that knows more about hunting than Kerry evidences and if he doesn't realize how many sporting rifles the Lautenberg bill would ban, what the f*** is he doing running for President?
Is he really stupid enough to be co-sponsoring S-1431 if he honestly supports sport shooting?
Nuh,,, he supports 'hunters and sportsmen across this country' as long as they're watching him show off his new camo jacket. As soon as he's back, safely behind the smoked glass in his SUV, out come the martinis and the gun control bills.
I don't really think that's the worst of it, because Kerry's a sporting clays shooter, not a rifle guy. What I think is really funny is the little juxtaposition one can get by looking at this portion of the 'fact'check spot:
Shotguns designed for military or law-enforcement use are generally quite distinct from those commonly used by hunters or target shooters. For examples of military shotguns that would have been covered by Kerry's proposal, see the Benelli M4 Super 90, the Mossberg 590, the military and law-enforcement versions of the Remington 870, or the more exotic Jackhammer shotgun, which is not the sort of thing normally found in a duck blind or on the skeet range. [emphasis added]
and remembering that a union rep presented the good Senator with a Remington 11-87 semi-auto shotgun... which is a variant of the 870 and which would have been banned under S-1431.
(H) A semiautomatic shotgun that has--
(ii) a pistol grip;
Then again, and this goes back to that 'unintended consequences' thing we talked about before, Lautenberg and Kerry know very well the utility built into this phrase from the bill:
(L) A semiautomatic rifle or shotgun originally designed for military or law enforcement use, or a firearm based on the design of such a firearm, that is not particularly suitable for sporting purposes, as determined by the Attorney General. In making the determination, there shall be a rebuttable presumption that a firearm procured for use by the United States military or any Federal law enforcement agency is not particularly suitable for sporting purposes, and a firearm shall not be determined to be particularly suitable for sporting purposes solely because the firearm is suitable for use in a sporting event.'[emphasis added]
not only is pretty well every firearm on the planet 'originally designed for military or law enforcement use', the mere fact that a firearm is widely used for sporting events shall not be considered sufficient to qualify that firearm as 'suitable for sporting purposes'. Kerry as president, an AG who is equally anti-gunowner
... and Camp Perry might as well close the gates.
I was almost willing to give the 'fact'check guys a half-point on the pump shotgun angle. They claim the NRA says 1431 will ban 'all pump shotguns'. There's an exemption in there for pump shotguns, which means the 5-round-or-less pumps will stay in circulation. Of course, the rest won't, no matter what type action they have, but I figured I could be generous just this once...
Then I looked at the NRA fact sheets for the 'that dog won't hunt' ad, which 'fact'check says they used.
Here ya go:
FACT: Kerry co-sponsors a bill that would ban all semi-automatic shotguns and detachable-magazine semi-automatic rifles, a gigantic step toward bringing Australian-style gun control to the U.S.
so I would have given them the half point,,, or maybe the benefit of the doubt...
then I found out they're a bunch of f***ing liars, so why bother?
